Comments on: About Gatekeeper http://www.panic.com/blog/2012/02/about-gatekeeper/ Dispatches from Panic HQ in Portland, Oregon Fri, 17 May 2013 00:27:15 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.1 By: Mistie Calderaro http://www.panic.com/blog/2012/02/about-gatekeeper/#comment-17740 Mistie Calderaro Thu, 25 Apr 2013 22:35:09 +0000 http://www.panic.com/blog/?p=3390#comment-17740 Very nice pattern and good subject material , nothing at all else we want : D.

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By: Jay http://www.panic.com/blog/2012/02/about-gatekeeper/#comment-14923 Jay Fri, 15 Jun 2012 17:55:08 +0000 http://www.panic.com/blog/?p=3390#comment-14923 i’m not a developer but even i can agree with the comments by Andrew J plus others. it’s just another control aspect. But no one will realize it until it’s too late.

“To me Gatekeeper is about total control. So they don’t “force” you into the Mac App Store, fine, but the fact that they are effectively forcing all developers to having a Developer ID is in effect giving Apple a kill-switch to your software. If in the end they decide that you are doing something they don’t want, or maybe they say you are infringing on one of their patents or software products… zap! problem solved, your application can’t run on an Mac.

That’s something to be worried about. If Apple themselves got out of the software business, that might be one thing, but Apple has a long history of “taking” ideas from other developers and claiming them as their own.

Personally, I think Snow Leopard is looking better every day. You get the App Store, but you don’t get the Gatekeeper.

P.S. I would much rather and still continue to buy directly from developers rather than the Mac App Store if it is available.”

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By: Eric F http://www.panic.com/blog/2012/02/about-gatekeeper/#comment-14778 Eric F Thu, 24 May 2012 21:36:07 +0000 http://www.panic.com/blog/?p=3390#comment-14778 Only after I bought Coda 2 directly from Panic (since I trusted everything would be fine and didn’t read all the details, never had to do before when buying from Panic), I discovered the iCloud sync wasn’t there. I wanted to use Coda 2 with Diet Coda on the iPad. What a disappointment when I found the reason iCloud couldn’t be activated – I bought from the developer and not MAS. That just sucks incredibly hard.
I’ve been an unpaid Apple evangelist for more than 25 years and guess this is another step in the direction where these days are history.
And Cabel and Steven, one of my most beloved developers since the nineties, do you have put up with this from Apple? Give us alternatives to iCloud. Please let Coda 2 sync with e.g. DropBox as an alternative like other code editors in iOS. Apple is going the wrong way and someone has to show it to them.
Did anyone say 1984?

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By: SPMorph http://www.panic.com/blog/2012/02/about-gatekeeper/#comment-14502 SPMorph Tue, 08 May 2012 11:31:35 +0000 http://www.panic.com/blog/?p=3390#comment-14502 What “David” said, and what “Musterknabe” said, are almost exactly, word for word, the two points and I was going to post, and the biggest problems I have with this. Plus, I think the author should take quite a few steps back, considering he was invited to a talk about Gatekeeper with Apple. I mean no disrespect, but that could have seriously fogged what your normal judgement might have been. I’m not claiming this to be the case, but my instinct says it’s more possible than not. Not that I believe you have some collusion going on, but just merely that you might not be able to look at this clearly, considering your recent connection to it.

But what “David” and “MusterKnabe” said are just completely spot on. Especially “Musterknabe”, because I see that as being a glaring issue. Wanting to back up my legally purchased DVDs and Blu-rays with an app that rips protection, and allows me to make a backup of my legal purchase and make a mobile version of it for my computer and phone? Well, I don’t think it’s hard to see how somehow there would be a reason for these types of software not being allowed eventually. Same as what was said about perfectly legal things like Bittorrent clients, they will also be nonexistent, at least in any normal form, on this new Mac Gatekeeper environment, at least that is absolutely how I see it’s going to be.

I just personally think this is seriously akin to other recent things that were either implemented, or were tried to be put in place, but user protest stopped them. I think a lot of the time stuff that everyone can identify with, like wanting to stop piracy and wanting to keep your computer safe. Is being used as a fear inducing guise, for these freedom removing systems and policies to get put in place. And I guess it makes some people comfortable to just label those of us who view it this way as being paranoid, fear-mongering, conspiracy theory-laden, etc. But I simply don’t view it that way at all. Certainly that stuff exists, but in cases like these there are just too many past and present signs pointing to underlying themes that these things like Gatekeeper are really going to stand for, or are being used to lubricate the process, and make it a lot easier to implement want they really want like making Mac’s, Mac App Store-only, and removing apps they consider undesirable or competing, from user’s computers. I see you’ve posed the question many times that if that was the case “Well why would they waste the time with all of this and spend time and resources, and not just simply all of sudden one day say hey it’s closed off now and it’s just Mac App Store apps only, or only apps we Apple approve?”. Of course that’s not verbatim what you said, but that is the gist of it.

I think I just gave the best answer for that, or I’ll try to now. With what I think there ultimate goal is, as I’ve stated above, at completely controlling what is and isn’t allowed on Mac computers one day, it just makes no sense for them to do what you pose as being the reason why they won’t advance Gatekeeper to something much more nefarious and closed. I mean if they said tomorrow that all Mac computers were now just allowed to run Mac App Store apps only, or only Apple approved apps only, you’d have a tremendous uproar, and people would protest, boycott, stop supporting Apple, developers would stop developing for Apple, people wouldn’t buy new Apple computers and possibly other products. But why cause a sudden image damaging commotion, when you can work slowly, and subversively, and still get to your objective. While I think combating malware is a great thing, I just think it’s side-effect of what they truly are trying to do. If they get people used to the idea of having to have their apps approved by Apple, to have them be allowed to run on their computers, even with giving an “opt-out” option currently. It will make it so much easier to slide right in to their step of what they wanted to accomplish from the beginning. I mean it’s just classic battle tactics and strategy. If you know you can’t accomplish your goal with upfront actions, you can wait it out and slip in the back door. So to me, if you see this for I what I believe it to truly be, well then asking “Why wouldn’t they just up say tomorrow that they are making Mac’s App Store-only, if that’s their ultimate goal”, well it just makes sense that you would take the path of less friction and less negative publicity. Once people are accustomed to seeing Gatekeeper do it’s thing and with the idea of having to have all their apps signed and whatnot. It will be so much easier for Apple to advance that to something, what I would consider, much, much, much worse. And they don’t even have to label in a negative way, it could be shaped in a such a way that you’ll just assume that it’s another step in helping to protect your computer from malware and the like, because like I said, you’ve already accepted and become accustomed to having Gatekeeper. I’m not saying people who are informed and knowledgeable here wouldn’t really see it for what it truly was if they made that nefarious leap. But by then it would be too late is the biggest point I’m trying to make.

I respect lots of opinions on this and I’m huge Apple supporter. But I’m always at the end of the day going to put open systems and more freedoms above my love for Apple. And I just hope everybody who views this as benign or okay enough to sit and watch what happens, will take their current high opinion of Apple, and take a step back and consider what this could mean. I’ve looked at it from as many sides as I can, and this just stinks of another form of DRM in my book. And those letters are worse than any four letter word to me. I mean you can’t find a single DVD/Blu-ray ripping application in the Mac App Store right now. What’s to stop them from not allowing it on your computer completely, if they advance to the level of taking away the ability for users to opt-out of something like Gatekeeper? That’s just one example of many different kinds of software that I could see come under fire.

But thanks for explaining this in more detail author. I appreciate it.

p.s. Sorry in advance for any typos, I’m currently sick and just don’t have the energy to check for them right now.

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By: Marc Vos http://www.panic.com/blog/2012/02/about-gatekeeper/#comment-14499 Marc Vos Mon, 07 May 2012 09:02:05 +0000 http://www.panic.com/blog/?p=3390#comment-14499 Great explanation – thanks!

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By: Evan http://www.panic.com/blog/2012/02/about-gatekeeper/#comment-14494 Evan Sat, 05 May 2012 16:08:37 +0000 http://www.panic.com/blog/?p=3390#comment-14494 This is really just a Trojan horse (no pun intended) created by Apple to shut down software piracy on the Mac and iOS platforms. But the teams that crack and release software are pretty resourceful. They will just figure out a way to run their own server for verifying signed apps, or release a way to set one up locally, like a proxy, so that apps will think their transmission to the mothership came back with a green light. The “open” infrastructure of the internet makes this an inherent possibility.

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By: David R http://www.panic.com/blog/2012/02/about-gatekeeper/#comment-14444 David R Sun, 22 Apr 2012 11:43:22 +0000 http://www.panic.com/blog/?p=3390#comment-14444 Reading the conspiracy theories and people up in arms about something that I find to be a great feature kind of blows me away a bit. I think Gatekeeper is just going to ensure that the “it just works” mantra continues to be the case in the future, especially given the recent java vulnerability making such big news lately. Apple wanting a little more power to revoke developer IDs for bad software is expected. It’s nice that they allow users the freedom to decide for themselves beyond that, too. I think some users mistakenly believe they’re on Linux. Apple’s control over every aspect of their products is partially why we love them, but I appreciate their desire to keep 3rd party developers happy by not requiring them to enroll in the App Store. That said, I do believe the App Store cut is quite a bit (I’d say too much), but it makes sense for small developers that would rather not self-distribute and build out infrastructure for iCloud/Notification Center capabilities. Software companies like Adobe and Microsoft are certainly not going to sign off on giving up 30% of the revenue on their top software and Apple knows that kicking them off would be REALLY REALLY bad for business, not just for their users losing out on quality software, but from a PR standpoint.

People can predict the end all they want, but I really don’t see that in this scenario. Is Apple jockeying for more control? Certainly. Is that what your average everyday users want? I would say yes. If I’m putting my (fairly computer illiterate and prone to viruses) father on Mac, I’d like more rigidness on what can be run because he doesn’t know better and I’d rather not babysit. I WANT Apple to revoke programs he installs that turn out infected with malware. I see a positive for the users, for Apple, and 3rd party devs so long as Apple keeps their commitment to them :)

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By: Andrew J http://www.panic.com/blog/2012/02/about-gatekeeper/#comment-14400 Andrew J Sun, 25 Mar 2012 09:44:04 +0000 http://www.panic.com/blog/?p=3390#comment-14400 To me Gatekeeper is about total control. So they don’t “force” you into the Mac App Store, fine, but the fact that they are effectively forcing all developers to having a Developer ID is in effect giving Apple a kill-switch to your software. If in the end they decide that you are doing something they don’t want, or maybe they say you are infringing on one of their patents or software products… zap! problem solved, your application can’t run on an Mac.

That’s something to be worried about. If Apple themselves got out of the software business, that might be one thing, but Apple has a long history of “taking” ideas from other developers and claiming them as their own.

Personally, I think Snow Leopard is looking better every day. You get the App Store, but you don’t get the Gatekeeper.

P.S. I would much rather and still continue to buy directly from developers rather than the Mac App Store if it is available.

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By: Jason http://www.panic.com/blog/2012/02/about-gatekeeper/#comment-14382 Jason Wed, 14 Mar 2012 20:32:21 +0000 http://www.panic.com/blog/?p=3390#comment-14382 +1 for using Monkey Island image.

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By: Brendan http://www.panic.com/blog/2012/02/about-gatekeeper/#comment-14325 Brendan Tue, 28 Feb 2012 16:15:33 +0000 http://www.panic.com/blog/?p=3390#comment-14325 Thank you Cabel, Steve, et al for continuing not to make MAS-only apps. I am a bit sickened by this trend, as more and more developers seem to be drinking the Apple kool-aid.

I refuse to use the MAS (as do many others), because I find its restrictions quite… Orwellian. That, unfortunately, prevents me from supporting some developers, but that’s their loss, not mine.

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